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Charline Touchard
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I have an
online journal at livejournal.com, and I also participate in a
few communities over there too. Today, someone posted in the
"germanshepherds" community asking about Leerburg, and sparked
a lively discussion. If anyone has any interest, here's the
link:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/germanshepherds/54450.html?view=291250#t291250
(psst...don't
tell 'em I sent ya...I don't want to get blamed if any flame
wars start up.)
**I'm "VTLadyhawke" over there, if
anyone's interested.
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Will Rambeau
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I took a
look at the thread....
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Here on the Leerburg forum, people can't
hide their opinions behind an anonymous name - they have to
have the balls to post their question, view, or idea right out
in the open, and it's open to all for debate. Different views
and ideas can be examined, and you can determine their worth a
whole lot easier than the good ol' "anonymous" post. A poster
can post what they know and back up their view with experience
and facts...or they can post as "anonymous" on other boards
and impotently snipe at a breeder who has spent a ton of time
and effort to educate people. It sounds a lot like jealousy
from where I sit.
Charline, let me know when the un-named
posters that feel compelled to insult Ed have their own 3500
page website full of training info up, OK?
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Flame wars with cowards that hide behind the
internet is none too satisfying....
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Old earth dog Bob Scott
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Ain't it amazing what success can do to the people
that cant reach it!!
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Brian Jackson
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Here here!
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Rudy Bunt
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I think
some people can not deal with a person who is straight to the
point. I personally find it refreshing. In an industry where
there are so many Bullshit artists. Just do a search on German
shepherd, how many hits do you get and each and everyone of
them says the same S**T, I have been breading for Blah...
Blah.... I have Blah... years with the dogs Blah....Blah....
Not that I do not think there aren't good breeders out there
but how many would you personally recommend? I personally love
the way he is straight and to the point.
*Just one
opinion*
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Alan Bliven
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Whenever
one is the king of the hill, all the other boys try and knock
him off!
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Naa-Dei Nikoi
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A slightly
different point of view:
You know how funny it can be
to call your dog awful names in a lovely tone and watch them
wag their tails? It occurs to me that people aren't all that
much smarter. The way I see it, the thing that tact achieves
that rudeness doesn't is that it stops people from blocking
off unwelcome information. Being blunt is nice if you're the
speaker (or someone who agrees with the speaker) but then
someone can go 'oh you're just rude' and not listen to what
they need to hear, whereas the same thing said politely will
go in whether they want it to or not. In any case, it's clear
that the people talking don't have the slightest clue of what
they're talking about: Ed doesn't advocate hard corrections as
means of teaching dogs (neither does Koehler when you come
down to it) but as a means of enforcing well-understood and
fairly-given commands if that is what the dog needs.
I do think that if more of the knowledgable
trainers worked on their communication and abrasiveness,
they'd put out of business a lot of the smooth-tongued
treat-or-kill scam artists (oh, I'm sorry, I mean the 'give
your dog a cookie and when he decides he'd rather take a piece
out of your little niece/ won't stop yanking you down the
street/ won't give you the time of day/ knocks your old mother
down/ etc, give him a tastier treat and if he does it anyway
that means he's a defective dog and must be put down').
Just my two
cents,
Dei.
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Tim Leigh
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Has anybody
heard of the muppet Steve Leigh ( I promise hes no relation to
myself)
This person seems intent on bringing the big
man down
Even has his own website
http://www.sl-prokeys.com/wffcw/indexmenu.htm
This
person seems like a complete nob head.
Anybody had
experience with this fool?
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patricia powers
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i think i
was happier not knowing about this $hi+.
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Lou Castle
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Tim Leigh
wrote: Has anybody heard of the muppet Steve Leigh ( I promise
hes no relation to myself) This person seems like a complete
nob head. Anybody had experience with this fool?
LC:
I'm proud to say that I've had experience with Mr. Leigh.
Although your characterizations of him as a "muppet" and a
"nob head" are much too kind. Look around on his website and
you'll find MANY more comments made about me than about Ed.
Leigh also attacks Donn Yarnall on the same site.
LC:
Mr. Leigh is a deeply disturbed person. A quick look at the
section of his website where he tells people of his very
detailed plans for suicide will reveal that. Even without that
someone who maintains a website of that size to criticize
three people he's never even met is a stalker at best and a
psychotic at worst.
LC: I'll let Ed tell you of his
history with Mr. Leigh but as for me . . . We disagreed on
several forums years back, beginning, I think it was on the
PDL (Protection Dogs List). We argued about drives and
Ecollars. At one point he asked for my credentials which I
presented and then I asked for his. He refused to present any
for quite some time, saying that he wasn't required to show me
anything. This continued until he realized that his
credibility was being placed in doubt. He then presented some
vague comments about having trained and titled "many dogs" in
AKC obedience, SchH and Ring Sport. He also made references to
having trained and supplied dogs to "many" police departments.
I asked for specifics, the names of some dogs that he'd titled
and references from some PD's that he'd supplied dogs for. I
think it's reasonable that someone making those claims would
be PROUD to supply that information; yet Mr. Leigh steadfastly
refused. When I pointed out to him that in the face of such a
refusal it was reasonable to believe that he wasn't being
honest, he began personal attacks including name calling,
general rudeness and profanity. He was finally thrown off that
list.
LC: But that wasn't enough for him! He showed up
on another list I was on and began the debates all over again.
They went exactly the same way. We'd disagree and state our
positions, he ask for my credentials, which I'd provide and
then I'd ask for his. He'd refuse and then finally supply them
but with no details. I'd ask for specifics and he'd go to
personal attacks. This occurred on about half a dozen more
lists, each discussion going nearly identically. Each of them
culminating in the same flaming and with the result that he'd
be thrown off the list. I felt that we could have cut and
pasted our earlier comments to the "new" discussions. Finally
he ran out of lists to repeat this process.
LC: He
then began a private email war with me. There he went to
profanity and name calling immediately. I'm an eternal
optimist and thought that if I could just get him to listen to
reason he'd calm down and we could have a decent conversation.
I'm also an idiot to have thought this. For several weeks we
exchanged emails until finally I grew tired of the name
calling and responded in kind. After asking him several times
to stop bothering me, I had to block his email address to stop
his insanity. But he just changed it and sent me another
email. I blocked that email address and he again changed it to
get his email through. This continued until I'd blocked six of
his email names. I finally had to block his entire domain to
get him to stop.
LC: A few years back his wife passed
away. I learned of it about a year afterwards and in spite of
our history, sent him a brief sympathy note. I unblocked his
addresses and domain to allow him to respond if he cared to;
the optimist/idiot in me again. He wasn't even man enough to
acknowledge it. But a short while ago he did start sending me
rude emails again. Up went the blocks again.
LC: And
so he retreated to his website where he can write whatever he
wants with absolutely no one disagreeing or correcting him. He
hasn't shown up on any public lists for a debate since, even
though I've invited him numerous times.
LC: I believe
that he's mentally unbalanced and that he needs medication. At
times he goes off for no apparent reason. Out of the clear
blue sky he'll email me and tell me to go look at his website
as he has a couple of times. (For some reason when I upgraded
my email system the blocks didn't carry over so he was able to
get through.) Just a few weeks ago he phoned me. He has a very
distinctive voice and I recognized him immediately. He said,
"Turn off your phone so I can leave a message." I asked why he
didn't want to talk man to man and he hung up. He called back
about 45 minutes later and when I answered he said, "I don't
want to talk to you." And then shouted, "TURN OFF YOUR PHONE!"
He quickly hung up. He called again about two hours later and
this time shouted, "TURN OFF YOUR PHONE!" Again, he quickly
hung up. He phoned a few hours later and shouted, "DO IT NOW!"
This time he didn't hang up. Growing weary of this stupidity I
told him to stop calling and warned him that if he called
again, I'd report him to the police. I then hung up on him. He
called back about two minutes later and again shouted, "DO IT
NOW!" and then hung up.
LC: Even on the telephone he
wants to talk and talk and not be corrected or interrupted. A
few years back I consulted an attorney to see about suing him
to get him to take down some of the information on his
website. Since I've made myself an Internet public figure (if
there is such a thing) I think that some comment, some
criticism and even some rudeness is and should be allowed. But
Mr. Leigh has crossed the line into actual libel when he puts
up much of the information that is on that website. The
attorney said it was an obvious case and offered to initiate
the lawsuit for $50,000. (That was just the starting point.)
The problem is that I don’t have 50K on hand. And when we won,
because Mr. Leigh has no assets to take. It would be an empty
judgment. But if you all want to chip in I'll be happy to go
forward with the case! LOL
LC: And Patricia we'd all be
happier not knowing about this $hi+. But it's the price we pay
for the Internet. I think it's a small price to pay for the
good stuff that's
available.
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Lou
Castle, Los Angeles, CA,
(UnclLou@aol.com)
For training
articles go to http://www.loucastle.com/
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